tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post681851894794873941..comments2024-03-02T13:11:15.533-08:00Comments on Cadia's Creed: Warhammer 40k and the Imperial Guard: The Players That Make the Game: A Word on Power Gamers, Fluff Bunnies and How They Make The GameGrumpy Guardsmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17589097813598490581noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post-74143643437845123692013-12-11T06:57:22.000-08:002013-12-11T06:57:22.000-08:00Its absolutely overreaction. One game was played ...Its absolutely overreaction. One game was played one the internet and OMG its all over!!! They are overcosted and for the actual amount of hull points, you can destroy even the biggest ones with weight of fire. Vendettas or vanquishers with prescience will crush them given a turn of shooting.Grumpy Guardsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17589097813598490581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post-89566125358889902572013-12-11T06:54:59.867-08:002013-12-11T06:54:59.867-08:00Fortifications aren't that expensive, aegis is...Fortifications aren't that expensive, aegis is command squad price range, they certainly go up but you can get multiple fortifications for the cost of a super heavy. But I agree that most people won't be using these books to the extent thats available due to cost, the full on wall of martyrs can set you back a couple of baneblades if you go all out with it. Grumpy Guardsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17589097813598490581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post-32678056977059124602013-12-11T06:51:17.828-08:002013-12-11T06:51:17.828-08:00That is good, its fun to have those people around....That is good, its fun to have those people around. I like a good mix as having a few powergamers around can be a good thing, they keep the group on their toes and as long as you have enough people that will keep them from pulling horrible shennanigans they are ok. <br /><br />Its good way to do it, schedule the days for what is being played. Its nice because its a pain in the ass to drive out there and then show up and no one wants to play the game you are playing.Grumpy Guardsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17589097813598490581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post-39344258525822473182013-12-11T02:19:41.567-08:002013-12-11T02:19:41.567-08:00Yep, attitude is the decisive factor.
There ware p...Yep, attitude is the decisive factor.<br />There ware powergamers, using the latest broken spam netlist to repeatedly stomp everyone, and try to bend the rules to their favor, even if it's clearly nonsense.<br />Playing against them isn't fun at all, it's repetitive and requires hard counters regularly, luckily there are few around here.<br /><br />And there are powerful gamers, those up and running for several years, who can table you with literally any list because they are the more experienced players.<br />You can learn a lot when playing against them, there's always a friendly atmosphere, and the lists are usually to try some rarely used unit or try to make fluff lists work on the table.<br />And with fluff list I don't mean regular armies, rather Catachans as in the old fluff, or the Crimson Fists with what's left after Rynn, something you rarely ever see and you can learn a lot from.<br /><br />As for the other types, my FLGS doesn't have any of the extreme types.<br />Escalation (for example) is scheduled for certain days, so whoever wants to play it can show up then, whoever doesn't want to doesn't need to.MajorNesenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post-15593523222212532532013-12-11T02:00:54.466-08:002013-12-11T02:00:54.466-08:00I just bought Escalation and... was expecting some...I just bought Escalation and... was expecting some D weapon storm or something like that. And its not there.<br />Yes, some superheavies are strong, but IMO their cost makes them potentially dangerous weakness. Its not scoring, some D weapons are melee... Revenant seems like obvious number one, but for 900 points he is viable from 2000pts battles higher. And for 900 points you can swamp him with lascannon blobs. Or fill sky with vendettas. Or throw army of vanquishers (ahd hope they wont get fried first turn, OK:)).<br /><br />But my point is that reaction for Escalation is rather overreaction. Its five units with non-melee D weapons. But ppl already see it as only revenant armies :)Ulriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post-46816361078605050932013-12-11T01:29:37.246-08:002013-12-11T01:29:37.246-08:00lucky none of the people I play with are power gam...lucky none of the people I play with are power gamers, (despite to BA death company list) but the few I've fun in to have been pretty arrogant, which doesn't make for a fun game. <br /><br />as for the internet lot, its a lot easier to bitch and moan online and to a wider audience. I dont think lots of people arn't going to be affected by the two new releases as most people won't field superheavies or fortifications outside of tournaments much anyway. I might be wrong but there not cheap and most people I know don't own one. <br /><br />and as a very fluffy player I can't say I really care, I'll keep playing to have fun.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07412304888734273336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post-11768015510144131192013-12-11T01:28:12.501-08:002013-12-11T01:28:12.501-08:00lucky none of the people I play with are power gam...lucky none of the people I play with are power gamers, (despite to BA death company list) but the few I've fun in to have been pretty arrogant, which doesn't make for a fun game. <br /><br />as for the internet lot, its a lot easier to bitch and moan online and to a wider audience. I dont think lots of people arn't going to be affected by the two new releases as most people won't field superheavies or fortifications outside of tournaments much anyway. I might be wrong but there not cheap and most people I know don't own one. <br /><br />and as a very fluffy player I can't say I really care, I'll keep playing to have fun.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07412304888734273336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post-21035351407013977612013-12-10T17:55:25.763-08:002013-12-10T17:55:25.763-08:00Attitude makes all the difference. I play in a gr...Attitude makes all the difference. I play in a group that pretty much lets you play as you want, it can be competitive but most people run multiple armies and test out new stuff all the time, so few people play the power builds and if they do its just a couple of times before moving on.<br /><br />Retarded rules arguing is my biggest pet peeve and things like above that make no sense at all do get me going. That is one thing that will set me off at the store when someone tries to argue like that.Grumpy Guardsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17589097813598490581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post-47966277768237802332013-12-10T17:52:18.450-08:002013-12-10T17:52:18.450-08:00I think you either ban all of escalation or non, t...I think you either ban all of escalation or non, there are too many ways that can unfairly affect certain armies. Tournaments should be about competition, but for me I see competition more as out thinking your opponent on the board rather than who brings the best list. I disagree with how far feast of blades is going and agree with the guest articles on frontline. I don't think you need too ban too much. Its there call in the end though, I prob won't be going either way. Grumpy Guardsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17589097813598490581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post-43592945512171167042013-12-10T16:29:30.100-08:002013-12-10T16:29:30.100-08:00So my friends and i play models we like in a frien...So my friends and i play models we like in a friendly matter. Like not taking flyers if your opponent cant hurt them or allowing proxies every so often and so on. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10127782785335814252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post-87594526448188623362013-12-10T16:26:48.348-08:002013-12-10T16:26:48.348-08:00As a "fluff bunny" (someone who has fun ...As a "fluff bunny" (someone who has fun lists but plays competitively) for me a power gamer is entirely based on their attitude. A common phrase i hear for imperial guard advice is "take 3 vendettas, you need to have at least 3 and in different squadrons". Its that kind of attitude that bugs me for a few reasons:<br /><br />Leads to a lack of variety<br /><br />The armies can look really really bland, like seeing a tau army with 12 fire warriors allied with far sight kinda thing.<br /><br />And lastly the rules bending. For example online there is an argument about how searchlights work. Some people trying to say that a unit thats been hit by a searchlight cannot be targeted beyond 36" still. <br /><br />So for me its the attitude that defines a Power Gamer. But in a social setting people end up compromising into a mix of everyone's play styles so what i see on the internet hasn't happened here at my club yet. <br /><br />As an Ex "Power Gamer" i noticed my attitude towards the game had a huge effect on someone else fun along with my fun as winning by turn 2-3 really gets boring. But its the kinda thing thats different to everyone at the end of the day. A balanced approach is the best way to go in a social setting. <br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10127782785335814252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post-29308647537858122082013-12-10T13:57:20.792-08:002013-12-10T13:57:20.792-08:00I'm probably closer to fluff bunny than power ...I'm probably closer to fluff bunny than power gamer (despite by Russ lists) and not at all a hobbyist but I do appreciate that a tournament is the place for power gamers. Period. At the same time, Escalation (especially Str D weapons) takes a few things too far and I've no problem at all with banning D weapons or even the whole book (though the inability to take a Baneblade would make me sad.) At the end though, it is up to the tournaments themselves to decide where they want to fall. I, for one, agree with Feast of Blades (see my own blog for my opinion) and would like to see it spread to other events. At the same time, a few Escalation friendly events could be fun but should probably have very high point values to compensate for the extreme destructive potential on the table.This Is A Helmethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13332470309760438304noreply@blogger.com