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As expected, wit...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...nooooo...<br /><br />As expected, with release of Scions, Kasrkin are on GW pulled from eshop...:(Aleš Smutnýhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05579490610170399199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post-86070624928148437912014-03-28T13:53:40.657-07:002014-03-28T13:53:40.657-07:00As it should, I am very happy to have my Storm tro...As it should, I am very happy to have my Storm troopers back :)Grumpy Guardsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17589097813598490581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post-80890227863426071002014-03-28T13:52:52.997-07:002014-03-28T13:52:52.997-07:00right now I would just assume they work the same, ...right now I would just assume they work the same, so standard is blah but medic gives FnP for a reasonable price now at least. I would expect the full codex to have those rules in them, understandable they aren't posting everything int he WDGrumpy Guardsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17589097813598490581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post-9638832138257740442014-03-28T13:39:06.656-07:002014-03-28T13:39:06.656-07:00Also, your gonna need the codex to run MT's as...Also, your gonna need the codex to run MT's as an army, as there is no referance to what the banners or medics do. It says platoon standard (10pts), but is it gonna be the same as the IG platoon std? the same for the medic (15pts)? will be interesting to find out. Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07412304888734273336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post-18087361547352823662014-03-28T13:11:21.366-07:002014-03-28T13:11:21.366-07:00May the Emperor hear our prayers, Grumpy, i'll...May the Emperor hear our prayers, Grumpy, i'll try keep my hopes high :)<br /><br />I must recognize that the possibility of deploy an entire stormtrooper company with vehicle support, like in old 2th edition times, brings a tear of joy to my old veteran guardman eyes ;)Jose Brutalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02457648247383878353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post-36046163750024778072014-03-28T12:45:42.022-07:002014-03-28T12:45:42.022-07:00I'm actually fine with the weapons cost, as it...I'm actually fine with the weapons cost, as its really not that fluffy to have power weapons all over the place for IG, should be reserved for the special people and cost appropriately for the more rareity than SM. even though I myself use them in platoons, it is not very fluffy.<br /><br />True, but their are more than a few ways to make orders succeed more, lord commissar, voxs, kell and such. Though the last is too expensive IMO. I don't see having command squads as a bad thing :). I'll disagree on points, I think they are about right as is, and granted SM have tactics but they should. Most are very sitiuational as well, so while you have them they generally are only affecting the game in a few places. The most reliable being the IFs bolter drill but then thats only on bolt weapons.<br /><br />You have move through cover all the time now, which was only one out of three before. The deep strike one was situational and even with reroll it could go badly. Only real one to lose so far is infiltrate with pinning first turn. As for scouts, well you have lovely creed for that and since they are a platoon, you can outflank quite a few of them or scoot them up in vehicles. <br /><br />Creed will prob change, but until he does he has great synergy with Scions right now, plus his orders range means if your placing him and the Scions right you still will be in order range with lots of first rank love. I am pretty hopeful about the whole thing, the Tempestus book will prob have rules that bring back the Special Operations rules in essence and the main IG book will prob have something along those lines as well. Granted till we know more its up in the air, but I'm pretty positive that there is more we have yet to see which is going to make up for the SOs loss. Pistols and ccs would be nice, but they never really were a dedicated cc unit to begin with. Keep up some reasonable hope, I'm feeling good about this so far :)Grumpy Guardsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17589097813598490581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post-46729604184091483192014-03-28T12:32:10.925-07:002014-03-28T12:32:10.925-07:00Agreed. It'll be pretty much standalone minus...Agreed. It'll be pretty much standalone minus refrences to main IG, with its own special rules and flavorGrumpy Guardsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17589097813598490581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post-51284367692855559212014-03-28T10:17:26.059-07:002014-03-28T10:17:26.059-07:00I also agree with you, Hudson, reading it that way...I also agree with you, Hudson, reading it that way has much more sense and makes scions a lot better :)<br /><br />Grumpy, the price decrease is very welcome indeed, and makes scions really usable but i still think that scions should cost about 11 point max and retain the old hot shot lasgun/pistol/CC weapon and the Special Operations rule. And yes, the point cost of wargear upgrades was expected, but is still absurd that a power fist/power weapon cost the same for imperial guard than for space marines when is crystal clear that the fist is much more efective in the hands of a space marine IMO. <br /><br />And no, i'm not forgetting about orders. I know that orders will be a fundamental factor in the efectiveness of the new scions but don't forget that an order needs the presence of a command squad and can fail. The chapter tactics are free and works all the time, combine that with the 14 points cost of a space marine (plus wargear and ITSKNF) and you will agree with me that either the 12 points scion is still overcosted or the basic space marine is horribly undercosted ;)<br /><br />Well, we will have to wait and read both the new Astra Militarum and Tempestus Militarum codices to see the sinergies in the new guard. Better stay hopeful i suppose :)Jose Brutalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02457648247383878353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post-6611249229122687292014-03-28T10:14:04.319-07:002014-03-28T10:14:04.319-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jose Brutalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02457648247383878353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post-39186385068610929672014-03-28T09:44:38.906-07:002014-03-28T09:44:38.906-07:00I think that the MT codex, being a stand alone boo...I think that the MT codex, being a stand alone book, as per knights and inquisition, enabling you access to different orders and doctorines that are not in the IG/AM codexStevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07412304888734273336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post-50611262382233986512014-03-28T08:54:42.397-07:002014-03-28T08:54:42.397-07:00it is weird how they are doing it, but reading the...it is weird how they are doing it, but reading the WD, it looks to be kind of its own thing, but tie in the current codex and will carry over to the new one. The page in WD states that MTs are an elite's choice for codex Imperial Guard. I'm assuming the Tempestus will have all the necessary rules to play on its own, including orders, they seem to reference the main book, meaning it will still be up to date when the codex changes as you'll just reference the new book rather than the old<br /><br />The points cost is interesting because as you stated, we don't know what the new costs of things are going to be in the new main IG book so it may not be as high a price as it seems. I don't see the prices of the Taurox as too bad in points, my money is on the Primes being seen more though, their fire power and BS making the difference.Grumpy Guardsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17589097813598490581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post-13610341536084795442014-03-28T08:49:17.369-07:002014-03-28T08:49:17.369-07:00Great point, I reread it and agree. Whoo that mak...Great point, I reread it and agree. Whoo that makes me feel much better. They should have put the grenades above the tempestor only part, but I see the comma now, and comma's make a huge difference.<br /><br />Key for orders is that the commander has an 12" range, not 6". So hopefully this is going to be a standard for order ranges in the main codex as well.<br /><br />I love that they are platoons now, especially since the command squad is not a requirement. Thanks for the correction, good eyesGrumpy Guardsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17589097813598490581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3830414113837067378.post-9560191181383979702014-03-28T08:45:28.262-07:002014-03-28T08:45:28.262-07:00I'm kind of confused by the release order here...I'm kind of confused by the release order here. Is Mil Temp is a standalone codex or a supplement to IG? If its a supplement, why are they dropping it before the main codex update? Won't you need the updated core codex rules to play correctly? 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