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Monday, June 23, 2014
Starting an Astra Militarum Army: Where to Begin
To shift gears slightly, I am going to start a series of articles on getting into the hobby, specifically on collecting an Imperial Guard army (of course). I have gotten a lot of messages and comments on this subject and while I take for granted the knowledge I have from being a guard player for so long, I realize there are a lot that are going through the same issues I face more than a decade ago (emperor help me!). I intend these to be more than me just spouting at you, so please leave comments or emails if there is anything specific you would like me to cover.
With the Imperial Guard/Astra Militarum, you have one of the easiest and hardest decisions to make. The IG are the most diverse army of the entire 40k universe, hailing from the million worlds in the Emperors domain. You are given an entire galaxy to choose from, and are more free than any other army in 40k to choose the history and look, with really only weapons and vehicles limiting your imagination.
When I got started into 40k, there was just something about the Imperial Guard that hooked me more than space marines or any of the xenos, though for a brief moment of heretical insanity I considered eldar. What I liked about the Imperial Guard was that they were just normal men and woman given cardboard and a flashlight and sent out into the dark with the expectation of conquering worlds. As awesome as space marines think they are, it is the Imperial Guard that holds the imperium together.
If you are starting or looking to start an IG army, then you have made the right choice in my mind :p. You are choosing to play the people of the Imperium, the conscripted, rarely voluntary, masses that make up the Imperial Guard and are sent forth to hold back the tide and let the imperium survive another day. On their own they can never hope to match the threats the galaxy offer man to man, but the Imperial Guard wages war on a massive scale and out shoots and out bodies nearly ever other race and army.
When you look at collecting and playing, the hard part can be getting an idea of how you want to play the IG, with so many different combat doctrines and regiments, this no easy task. The double edged sword of the imperial guard is its diversity, there is no one way to play it. There are common threads to be sure and I'll discuss those.
The hardest part though is simply going to be what regiment you want to do. And here I can give you no solid answer as that requires the Why, and only you can answer why you want to play imperial guard. What ever it is that draws you to collect IG, use that and follow it. If tanks are what you love, figure out a look and idea that fits it. If you are new to the hobby overall, try and figure out your general play style first. Despite never playing 40k or table top, you can generally figure that out by looking at how you play other games in general. For me I like to play defensively early and switch to offense later in the game, so my army is made up of infantry and long range weapons with an aegis to sit behind, with some fast moving elements to maneuver later in the game.
Get an idea of How you want to play, this ties into the Why. How you want to play is going to lead into the type of units you will want and how to structure your army. This will help you out so much when you start to buy models, as the main draw back of the IG is in how many you will most likely need. I always struggled to have the right things on often found myself buying stuff I did not need because I did not have a clear idea of what I wanted to achieve with my army.
Choosing your regiment will be hard, you have only two plastic options, that being Cadian and Catachan. Cadian equipment is also used throughout the imperium, so you can use the base models to make your own regiment without them being cadian. There are plenty of metal models, but the options are limited and many of the GW ones are old. That being said there are other companies that make IG look alikes and victorie miniatures does a good job and has a good line of infantry that help you find something you like. Forge world has the Death Korps of Krieg and a few lines of others like elysian drop troops. In any case you are going to spend quite a bit for a large Imperial guard army, so find something you like, because you are going to have to live with it.
If you go the plastic route and get cadian/catachan, the best place to start is with the battleforces, now called the defence forces. What you get is a command squad, two infantry squads, heavy weapons squads, a leman russ and chimera. If you don't have any specific theme or army you want to play, this gives you a bit of everything and is well rounded, nothing is bad and you have a playable army from the box, which few truly do, though more are getting closer to this.
You're always going to need infantry, even if you want to take tanks, you'll need a few infantry squads for force org. Sure you can go unbound, but its always good to be able to play with both army building options and not be shoe horned into only unbound. Heavy weapons are really good and if you are willing you can magnetize the options so your not shelling out so much for different heavy weapons like I did.
If you are struggling on what weapons you should be taking and what to arm your squads with, there are a few general rules that will help. If you are looking for general anti infantry, heavy bolters, grenade launcher, and flamers do the job well. Anti tank and MC work have plasma guns and lascannons and melta guns. The autocannon is your generalist and you will always be safe going with. Mortars are another good anti infantry option that allow you to hit hard to see targets.
Start off with core units and then work your way out as you start to get a feel of how you like to play with the IG itself and your own play style. A combined arms army is your best initial approach. A lot of the fluffy regiments are fun but have a high learning curve to get the most out of them, and if you are ok taking that on then please do. I lost a lot of games back when I started and there is nothing wrong with that, you get better and learn and figure out whether your ideas you thought were super genius really are. Going with a core of infantry and a few tanks and artillery will give you a solid army and it will do well and give you an idea of whether you want to expand upon it or go into a different direction.
The key to understanding the guard is MOAR! The IG want more and more and that is how they function well. Its not an army of half measures, your going to want lots of infantry, or lots of tanks, or lots of artillery, or lots of everything. I'm not going to lie, its a hard army to play if your hobby fund is small. There is ebay and other sources though that can help you out and should be taken advantage of.
Also key to this and ties into it is adopting the right mindset of the IG. This is an army of attrition, not an elite formation that is powerful but cannot take casualties. When building your army, redundancy is key and so is accepting losses. The hardest part of playing IG is watching all the bodies pile up and not losing your cool. Just Keep Playing! Play till the end, don't give up just because you may get tabled. Use every opportunity to learn, and many times you can snatch victory from defeat because you are in the game still and your opponent relaxes and makes mistake because he thinks he has it in the bag. I personally hate it when someone gives up, I want to scream KEEP PLAYING! Not because I like crushing people, but because I know that its an opportunity to learn and get better.
You really have to get used to steeling yourself and accepting all those casualties. Once you embrace that mindset, you'll do so much better. I tried when I started playing to play like space marines for lack of better term. I liked quality units over quantity and played in a way were casualties were not something I factored too well. Unlike an army like space marines where even a few can turn the tide, the IG simply can't do that. This is not to say you shouldn't use better units, but that you need to build redundancy into them, even a single squad of scions can only perform so many miracles.
Now I love the fluff, and I think I have made that pretty clear. But I understand that not everyone is going to like it as much as I do and just want a cool looking army that kicks ass. And you get that with the IG, its a very strong army and has some great units to play with. If you are like me and love the fluff of the IG, then get even more into it, find your inspiration and build off of it. It really does help you get into the Imperial Guard mindset.
Hopefully this is helpful and gives you a starting point for getting the best army in 40k :p. I'll continue with this and go into more detail on what to look for in certain armies and how you should be building and collecting them. And please comment if there is anything specific you are looking for or having trouble with.
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Man I sis I read this when I started, I wouldn't have made a HWS with a lascannon, an autocannon, and a heavy Bolter. I fell like now the only modeling choice I did right was put Vox casters on every squad; it's the only thing I didn't change. :) Great article.
ReplyDeleteI know exactly how you feel, did the same thing.
DeleteGood stuff here. I do find that with the guard numbers count more than anything, and accepting the losses before the game begins helps. One 'tactic' I've done a couple of times is to advance an infantry unit out of cover and left them unsupported to distract the opponent. They get shot to bits but the tank unit or HWS nearby is forgotten about. How do you magnetise your heavy weapons? I just buy extra bases and with a couple of slight conversions you can make every weapon option in the box.
ReplyDeleteWhere the hole in the tripod is and where the piece for the heavy weapon is, cut off the nob and put and magnet there and another in the hole. If you don't have small enough ones just stack them on top, once painted it looks fine. This works for the tripod ones, the missile launcher and mortar are a little harder to do, though you can have the missile launcher mounted on the tripod as well with a little finagling.
Deletewith missile launchers and mortars you can just use any additional guardsmen you have. Mine are mounted on standing guardsmen, so with a box of guard and a HWS you can easily build three missile, three mortar and three 'gun' teams.
DeleteNot having trouble per se, but would definitely be interested in hearing your opinion. Using an Amazon coupon (along with various deals), I have expanded my IG contingent into an actual army. Here's what I have:
ReplyDelete1x Command SQDs
2x Leman Russ
3x Cadian Infantry SQDs
1x Heavy Weapon SQD
How would you take this detachment to fight besides Blood Angels?
I would take it maybe a couple of different ways. This will be better as an ally, I'm assuming you have a bit more blood angels.
DeleteGo with a Tank commander as HQ, prob a vanquisher or executioner. Have the platoon, the heavy weapons will be attached to the squads, go most likely with auto cannons or lascannons, missile launchers may be ok too if you don't have much AA, give them flak missiles. The command squad would be good to have grenade launchers.
Other way is to take the command squads as a company CS. Plasma guns or other special weapon is good. The squads should be a platoon still, scratch a few guys from one of the squads for your PCS, and do the same thing with the heavy weapons.
BA are mobile so you want the IG to support that with long range shooting and backfield support
I'll add my two pennies worth to this as well.
DeleteFor BA's I would run the first option and take the tank command squad, PCS (with grenade launchers) and blob the guard units (All 3 squads if possible with 3x Auto cannon and 3x Flamers). BA have lots of good assault unit but lack the fire power the Russ can bring to the table. I'd keep the blob squad, at the back acting as a gun line and using the PCS order for extra effect. You could throw a vox in the blob and PCS to for extra security getting the order off, which I would do with Ld8.
Yes, this was for an allied detachment. And it's nice to see that my thoughts are in the same area.
DeleteOriginally, all I had was just the 2 Russes and a squad of veterans. So, I would put the tank commander on the Vanquisher with lascannon, and have the 2nd Russ be an Exterminator with Heavy Bolter sponsons. With the split fire order, I'd have the Vanquisher focus on armored targets and the Exterminator firing on infantry, while the veterans manned an Aegis line with the tanks or put them in some nearby ruins with camo cloaks for holding rear objectives.
I admit I'm not familiar with grenade launchers. What makes them so useful?
When I have money, I hope to get the advisers for the CCS. Anything above 1000, and I'm usually bringing in at least 2 drop pods and a Stormraven, meaning the Fleet Officer's ability looks very useful to me. And I'd like to get an Executioner Russ to be able to answer heavy infantry like terminators.
Are there other units you'd recommend throwing on my wishlist?
I find grenade launchers are good as you get 24" frag or Krak grenades, so give you a lot of options for supporting the troop choices. There cheap to run and it means you can hide the pcs behind out of harm's way unlike with flamers where you have to be up at the front.
DeleteI would possibly suggest a priest, for fearless or a commissioner for stubborn.
grenade launchers are just good general purpose weapons, you can throw out blasts or good S single shots, its an assault weapon, and works well in numbers. Its a good cheap weapon for a PCS and they can move around and shoot with it while issuing orders and can hurt a lot of things with it.
DeleteVery intersting reading and I´m looking forward to more :)
ReplyDeleteI'm considering a heavily mechanized infantry list. with infantry squads in chimeras. with an Imperial Knight as my "big guns" any tips on building that list?
ReplyDeleteA CCS in a chimera to start, and have a good number of vet squads with mixes of roles. Having a demolitions squad in there to bring some close up pain and then a mix of anit infantry and anti MC/tank units. Prob should include a wyvern or too for horde killing. Hellhounds and variants are also really good as they can maneuver with your infantry and eliminate targets that are a threat to them.
DeleteWell our infantry squads are weak generally but when they manage to do something extraordinary don't you feel just happy?Three Vets killing a lictor who charged them(han only one wound remaining)and hold the winning objective!Or killing a carnifex with only lasfire.One of my best moment is 10 guardsmen killing 3 necron destroyers!
ReplyDeleteor a ten man squad taking down two thunder hammer equipped termies, one to overwatch and one in combat both in the same assault phase, then going on to hold the other three in combat. they eventually lost, but not before taking down another 2 termies! Couldn't believe how well they did!
DeleteThese little moments is why I love the IG!Just humble men againts all ods who manage to prevail!!!
ReplyDeleteOutstanding Work
ReplyDeleteKeep it going!
Thank you for sharing this! It's right up my alley as a new IG player! Looking forward to more!!
ReplyDeleteNice article.
ReplyDeleteFor beginners I would second your recommendation of a Cadian or Catachan Defence Force to start. Two of them is even better if you've got the money up front! If you decide you want one of the special regiments you can easily seed them into your Cadian starter force until you have enough to completely replace them. Plus, the plastic kits come with a bunch of extra bits that you can use to convert models from other ranges if you want to add some unique character.
I'm a long time WH40k player who is getting back into the game for 7th ed. I was looking at Guard, but didn't know really where to start till now. I knew I wanted to go tanks, tanks, tanks! But what to buy was the problem. Now I know that an ore. Thanks!
ReplyDeleteIm a black Templars player and was wondering if I should ally with gaurd any thoughts? I like to use sterngaurd n run cc squads to get in your face n think gaurd to be the heavy hitters in the back
ReplyDeleteGuard have some great units to sit in the back. Wyverns are anti infantry supreme, and two are cheap and will erase a unit a turn. Anti tank wise you have their own leman russ tanks as well as things like vendettas. Troops are great loaded up with autocannons and sitting in the back plinking away and protecting objectives.
DeleteThis is a really good article (as are your others! kudos!)
ReplyDeleteMy question to you is, do you have much experience playing with the Elysian Drop Troops list? Any tips or ideas?
I'm a big of fan of military helicopters and love the idea of dropping guys from the sky, so this is the way to go for IG. I've only seen a couple of tacticas online and some of them aren't updated for 7th and the new AM codex.
I really don't, I have never played it. But I have seen a few out there, def recommend taking some drop melta sentinels and vulture gunships. Hard part is that it is still an out of date book, so pts and rules are not as competitive.
DeleteI have started and my army is
ReplyDelete2 Russes
1 Chrimia
25 shock troopers
1 command squad
3 heavy weopon squads
1 vulture
The hard back full colour 6th edition codex.
All the needed stranded paints and shaders
This is just my starting army with cost me around £200 pounds thanks to Goblin Gaming where every thing is 20% off. What should I get next? More air support? More tanks? I like Brut force but also I love painting and the looks of the shock troopers.
So, currently, I have an army of two infantry squads of 10, one of 5, all with vox casters, one commisar, one heavy weapons team (attached to one of the squads), one Russ, and one hydra. Where should I go if I want flexibility, to a point?
ReplyDeleteYour going to want to get a company command squad, at least 20 more troops, probably a wyvern, and look at some anti-tank and anti-monstrous creature weapons. At some point look at chimera's or tauroxes for transports.
DeleteSo, should I make my make my heavy weapons team a missile launcher with flakk, krakk, and fragg missiles (for anti-air and anti-monster capabilites), use my wyvern as artillery, and use multi-meltas and a lascannon on the LR? Y/N?
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