Tuesday, November 26, 2013
Thoughts on Counts-as
Well today I want to talk about my thoughts on Counts as/proxy, whatever you want to call it. I know there is some controversy over it and I will admit there is some parts of Counts as that can get me going as well. But I think counts as can be ok as well, it comes down to why you are doing it and what you are using. For me this goes back a while, as I have been around the block with 40k and remember a time where the use of models on the board was very loose. You could bring proxies/counts as as you desired, the age old deodorant land speeder comes to mind, the only thing that mattered was What You See Is What You Get (WYSIWYG). That used to be what mattered, WSYIWYG, not if you had the actual model. Ok your cardboard box with wheels is a leman russ, does it have a battle cannon? Check. Does it have a lascannon? Check. Is it about the right size? Check. Alright then looks good. Now adays its not as important, and you know what thats not a bad thing in and of itself
So what I am trying to get at is that this hobby is a lot more than rolling dice with official models. I would say that this is supposed to be a hobby that encourages personalization and customization. I can point to the line in my codex that specifically states that you should create your own personal models and use the rules for already existing ones to represent them. I am sure I am not the only one that has done this. I have my own version of Colonel Straken, now he is not Straken because he is one of my Cadian regiment's officers, but I use the rules of straken to represent him and he has all the wargear and even look of the straken model.
Another part of it is that the hobby aspect of 40k is only a small part of the 40k universe, and it only has so many factions represented on the table top when many more exist in the fluff. Mechanicus is a great example and I know many are fans and want models for. One thought I personally have had was to model up a Mechanius force using the new Inquisition codex, Inquisitor is a Magos with all the cool toys(Ordo xenos obviously) then you have all the servitors, and make a cool model to represent the Jokaero as some sort of specialized techpriest. I think it would be cool and have a great flavor to add to an IG army, especially if you go really over board and convert up some tech guard.
What it comes down to is that there are models that we don't like, either because they look dumb, or we don't like the fluff. I think the jokaero are dumb and I don't want alien monkeys in my army. I have no problem with someone using a cool tech model to represent them using the exact same rules. In the end nothing changes, the points and rules are the same. As long as there is a clear understanding of which model is which, then there should be no issue. At tournaments I can see where people are hesitant, and it could certainly be abused, but I have had little issues with it personally, in the end its up to TOs.
Where I think the derision comes from is when people use the counts as to get around rules they don't like or to flop around armies. There are certainly some infamous people on the Internet that do this and receive criticism for doing it. This does get at me a little bit. I get it that this is an expensive hobby, but no your Chaos Space Marines are not Taudar this week, and no next week they are regular Space Marines. I don't care if you think your codex is underpowered, its your army make it work. Or sell it and get a new one or just get another one. There is a big difference between trying something out once to see how it goes before you buy the actual model and just using random models to represent different units. I have been using a storm trooper sgt as a counts as inquisitor, I'm still waiting on my actual ones to arrive :(. That IMO is ok.
I'm not trying to say that if I do it its ok, and if you do it its not. I have seen some great conversions and love it when someone brings them out. Tell me what it is in your codex and as long as its clear lets go. If you are waiting on something or trying it out for the first time, no prob. If you just are using random models because you don't want to buy anything or don't like your current dex so are going to play a couple other armies now, I'm sorry, no. This is a hobby and no it isn't cheap, but if you are going to participate in this community, please put a little more effort into it. WIP is ok, but laziness is not. Stradling a line so you can take advantage of the latest rules, thats a dick move. If thats how you play, well I can't stop you, all I can say is I don't like it and I prob won't be playing with you.
Anyways, to end on a lighter note, if you have done some awesome conversions, proxies, or counts as, I would love to see them. I am always of fan of good hard hobby work and seeing what others have come up with.